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[top prev next] Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 19:27:48 -0600 (MDT) From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac dot com> Subject: cos community internet meeting - july 15 sat 10am dear cos members, internet access for all cos community members has been available in the community building since june 20th, and available to all homes via wireless network (wifi) since july 1st. and all up to design specs & within budget of the original proposal of may 21st (ref #1, & see below). so far, there are only three rules for use of the cos network: 1 the cos network is available only for cos members and guests (ie, it is not a free public access network). the password is posted inside the community building, and should be protected as you would your key to the door of the community building. please also make sure that your computer is protected against viruses etc. 2 this is a pretty high-speed connection, but still has finite bandwidth, so please be considerate of others who may be using it at the same time. low-bandwidth use like email, browsing, or shopping will be fine any time of day or night. high-bandwidth use like internet phone, music/videos, or massive downloads should be done only during off-peak hours, or via your own private internet account. 3 please respect vtc's acceptable use policies, posted at www.vtc.net on july 15 saturday 10am, there will be a community-wide meeting for two main purposes: 1 to answer general questions about the internet & how to connect with the cos wifi network 2 bring your ideas, requests, & discussion about our official city of the sun website - which will be our public image for the entire world to see. it can be our newsletter, a magazine, a history book, communities directory listing, advertising for our workshops, art shows, cottage industries, etc, etc... whatever we want it to be. (btw, motion passed at june 18th member- ship meeting - content of cos website must be approved by cos membership) followed by potluck lunch at noon. be there or be square! :) if you can't make it in person, please email your questions, requests, ideas, etc, and i will read them for you at the meeting. electronically yours, chris vansprouts p.s. please note our new official cos email addresses: City of the Sun <cityofthesun at vtc dot net> - public address for info requests etc COS Office <cos at vtc dot net> - unlisted address for cos business, voting, etc
[top prev next] Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:18:05 -0700 (MST) From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac dot com> To: bcc to cos network users <vansprouts at mac dot com> Cc: cos office <cos at vtc dot net> Subject: [cos inet] unsched maintenance & cos network manual draft dear fellow cos community internet users, yay! we now have 22 cos members (not counting guests) using the cos community network, with about 24 computers, including 11 wifi laptops. we also have 7 homes with wifi-ethernet bridges installed, and many of us are on-line and off-the-grid! my apologies to all. some of you have asked about downtime and slow connections during the past two weeks. it's partly because of unauthorized modifications to cos network equipment (on the membership agenda this month, and explained below), and also because permanent installation of equipment at the community building is still unfinished. since we first put up the cos network in late june, i've been measuring and improving performance, and taking care of the occasional glitch or emergency. overall, since july 1st, we've had better than 99% uptime (average downtime less than 7 hours per month), and this despite all the monsoons, flooding, and merciless windstorms, not to mention cars parked right in front of our main antenna inside the community center window. finishing installation of the outside antenna above the community center roof, and locking up the cos network boxes, will increase performance and reliability to near 100%. (please note: john comeau's experimental wifi stations, "three", "tinorwfptl" & others, are -not- part of the cos community network, and have not been 99% reliable. we have allowed john's wifi stations to gain access to the global internet through the cos community network, even though he voted against creating our community network, and continues actively in various ways to discourage people from using it. john is -not- in any way responsible for maintenance or assistance relative to the cos community network.) --- two weeks ago, at the cos board meeting on nov 5 sunday morning, joyce announced that she would begin remodeling the office the next morning, and that maybe we should move the wifi equipment out of the way of construction work. monday morning, nov 6 at 7am, i walked down to the community building with all the tools & parts necessary to do the final installation of the outside antenna for our main wifi station, and move the dsl modem and cos2i wifi box to their permanent location inside the office (on a shelf near the ceiling right where the antenna cable comes through the wall, for minimal signal loss). all of this was part of the original design, and necessary for reliable operation of the cos network. until recently, we've needed to make occasional changes and adjustments to the network equipment. the window sill outside the office, though non-optimal in performance, and exposed to various dangers, was temporarily useful for this purpose. it seemed like a good idea at this time to finish the permanent installation, since the network would be down for a short time anyway due to the remodeling. the outside antenna had already been installed once during testing, so i expected to be done with the permanent installation in 20 to 30 minutes. i arrived at the community building, finding that paul had already started construction, and had pushed the wifi boxes out of his way. the little wifi antennas were skewed and non-functional... no problemo, i figured the network had been down only a few minutes (paul wouldn't say how long), and i got right to work on moving the equipment and getting the network back up and online as fast as possible. after a few minutes, paul said he couldn't work with me in there. i said i would need only 15 or 20 more minutes to finish, and could he take a short break or something? well, to my surprise he started moving furniture around (like the file cabinet that i was working on top of) and calling me names and threatening violence. i climbed down, and tried again to reason with him, but he would not listen, repeating loudly and monotonously "get out, get out" as a wall of sound to block my voice. and then he started physically pushing me towards the front door, still chanting... it gets worse, but the important thing is, i'm looking at that heap of non-working network boxes, and feeling very responsible to get it back online asap. why is this psycho pushing me, acting like a playground bully, when i have a short simple job to do? i stayed and argued with paul, then paul and joyce both, for what seemed like an hour overall. joyce's mantra was "you have no authorization", paul's mantra & dance remained the same. finally a friend gently dragged me away, as the immediate situation seemed hopeless. eventually i was able to go back into the community building to re-patch the network boxes and fix our little antenna, pretty much as mickey-mouse as before, with some additional wear & tear. wish you all had been there! perhaps with a little protection, i can finish this job on another day soon... :) --- i put this on the agenda for sunday's membership meeting, but after 3 hours, with many items to go, the meeting was adjourned until next month. so i'm sending this email, and including a draft version of the cos network manual, for your comments, suggestions, and any other feedback or help. i'm amused that joyce doesn't seem to know her etymology when she proclaims that i have "no authorization", since i am indeed the founding author of this cos community internet - and very happy to be creating it and sharing it with everyone here. thank you all for also creating it and sharing it with me. electronically yours, chris vansprouts ________________________________________________________________ "The truth is a little hobby of mine. It's hard for those who've never been given the truth to believe that there is such a thing." - S Smithson Wildman (Primitive Religions, 1894) http://homepage.mac.com/vansprouts/meta/quotes.html
[top prev next] Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:03:01 -0700 (MST) From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac dot com> Subject: [cos] dec 3 board meeting - audio transcript & notes dear all, sunday morning dec 17, for the membership meeting, we didn't have a quorum of 10 members (at least not in the room), so here's something to read over the holidays :) blessings for a new year with peace and truth, may all beings everywhere be well and happy... chris v --- the following transcript is from the december 3 board meeting, first agenda item, "Vicious politics at COS are destructive..." it's about an important concept of political science which we seem to be missing here at city of the sun. --- december 3 board meeting - audio transcript [cv] [from audio part2 (9mb), 00:05:15 - 00:22:23, about 17 minutes total] Vicious politics at COS are destructive & non-sustainable. What is important & constructive for the whole community? [00:05:15 - 00:07:57, about 3 minutes, presentation] chris: the reason i'm bringing this up is partly because of my personal experience trying to do the internet project here. we got a clear majority of 60% for, 40% against, of the 25 people who voted. the amount that i've been plagued by [a few of] the minority on that issue has never stopped from the time of that meeting until now, and continues onwards. it occurs to me that in a sustainable political culture which uses a majority-rule system, that when there is a decision made by the majority, the minority -concedes- to the majority, and that resolves the issue. the minority agrees that they will go along with the majority. i have not seen that happening in this community very often since i've been here for two and a half years. there always seems to be a few people in the minority holding out, sour grapes or whatever, sabotaging or plotting against whatever the majority has decided, if they don't like it. that is what i'm saying is not sustainable. if you have a community that's always in a civil war, that community is wasting a lot of energy fighting inside itself. that energy is way much better spent in other ways. i would suggest that if there is a minority who doesn't agree with a majority decision, that instead of attacking the majority faction, that they go off on their own somewhere and do their own thing, and -not- interfere with the majority. that they do their own project separately. then they can do what they're trying to do, and there isn't a civil war. there isn't this waste of energy going on inside the community. [00:07:57 - 00:13:18, about 5 minutes, discussion] mary: [dissent in usa, revolution in other countries, quaker consensus process...] chris: the united states government for the last 200 or so years -has- been using this political system, where the minority concedes to the majority. [disagreement] it's in the political culture. if you go to school for this, this is what they teach. mary: [difference between ideals and what actually happens] chris: [concession] happens a lot though, and if it didn't happen at all, we would be be like [those other countries], we would have violent revolutions all the time, and people getting killed every time the elections happen. and we don't have that [so much!] in the united states, and i'm saying that's why - because the minority concedes to the majority, for 4 years or whatever... hazel: i'm not going to concede about anything! [general uproar] chris: i didn't say "agree" - this is a concept, i guess people [here] are weak on this concept. "concede" means you're willing to go along with it. you don't have to like it, but you agree to go along with it to keep the war level down, so we're not in a civil war... kara: [consensus is a good idea, but cos bylaws are what we have to work with... this community has a long history of doing exactly what chris is talking about... at a big meeting, usually in the winter when most people are here, something is voted on by a vast majority of members, then when everything thins out in the summer, or when the majority is absent, an emergency meeting is called, the minority votes, you come back and everything's gone... wish that members would put the community, the majority of the community first, at possibly the expense of their own desires and freedoms...] [00:13:18 - 00:22:23, about 9 minutes, more discussion] [discussion slides into personalities & personal criticism, lots of "you" language] chris: i guess i'd just like to respond to a few things alima said about me personally, and remind people that she said it was her impressions of me, and i don't agree with probably just about everything [she] said about me personally. and i think that's part of the issue here. we are such a diverse community, it takes time to get to know each other. [more personal stuff skipped...] i feel like i've made a lot of progress, one person at a time over the past two and a half years, of just making connections with people, like a real connection where we know each other, and where we're not bigoted, and we're not making assumptions about the other person based on nothing, based on fiction, or old relationships that we've had. it's important for each person in an intentional community, which this is, to make an effort to see [and hear] clearly, to see the other people in the community clearly, instead of just making assumptions and then acting as if those assumptions are totally fact. [more discussion / personal stuff, done]
[top prev next] Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 19:02:25 -0700 (MST) From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac dot com> Reply-to: cos foundation <cityofthesunfoundation at gmail dot com>, cos office <cos at vtc dot net>, chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac dot com> Subject: [cos inet] dec 28 special meeting - absentee ballot dear all, may the "cos political crunch" pass you by, all year round. at the moment i have a few vicious ankle-biters firmly attached, so i'm just trying to shake off the little terrorists, hoping they'll go revolve around something else. so i can get back to some kind of creative reality :) thanks to many cos community internet users for help in various ways, to improve the network for everyone. i couldn't do it without you. comments, suggestions, and requests are always welcome, by email or in person. we've been patient for many months, and now at last, equipment for the cos network is permanently installed in the cos office according to the original proposal as approved by the membership on may 21, 2006. our network is now functioning with reliability near 100%, and every home in the community is within range of a cos wifi station. total cost to-date for the entire project: $285 for network equipment (including $85 donated by members) $27 per month for global internet access (beginning june 20) since july 1, i have not needed to touch the equipment, except to adjust the single wifi antenna in the west window whenever it got bumped. the antenna is now outside and above the roof, permanently bolted to the community building. the network boxes now locked in the office are built to run continuously 24 hours 365 days a year without maintenance, and they've been just fine. they recover automatically in case of power failure, and never need to be reset, rebooted, power-cycled, or anything else. i've donated many hundreds of dollars worth of labor and expertise into setting up this system for the use of every member of the community without exception, and i'll continue contributing whatever is necessary. however i cannot approve of unnecessary expense for the community to accommodate the selfish personal preferences of one or a few members. this particular situation is not about technical issues, or even politics. it's a personal and social problem, and the solution is likewise. if there -are- political or technical issues, they should be addressed in open discussion at regular membership and/or board meetings. for example, the COS Network Manual is a "draft" version at this point, which means it is an invitation for comments and changes. if you have a problem with my design, please speak to me! i will listen. this is creative process. we have two regular community meetings scheduled each month, plus a few committees. if we don't need any more special meetings this month, let's just ignore all this excitement! these single-pointed meetings have been fragmenting, scatter- ing, and distracting our attention away from the essential big picture. i don't like being led down the chute, do you? if you agree with what i'm saying here, please don't show up for the dec 28 special meeting, and please -do- email an absentee ballot and vote against this item, in case the meeting gets a quorum (absentee votes are not part of the quorum). to make sure your vote gets counted, please send it to -all- of the above email addresses (reply all), and any/everyone else. sincerely yours, chris vansprouts --- Sample Absentee Ballot --- (or make up your own :) Let's have another special meeting this month! - Yes - it's much more fun than the same old boring schedule! - No - thanks, let's defer this agenda item until Jan 21. - Abstain - i'll read about it later. Let's make the COS Community Network as expensive as possible! - Yes - build another box for $300-500 and make chris move everything again. - No - let it be... it's good, don't fix it. - Abstain - is it groundhog day yet? i'm going back in my cave. ________________________________________________________ "O People!" shouted Nasrudin, running through the streets of his village, "Know that I have lost my donkey. Anyone who brings it back will be given the donkey as a reward!" - traditional (via Idries Shah, 1968)
[top prev next] Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 12:40:54 -0700 (MST) From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac dot com> To: bcc to cos members <vansprouts at mac dot com> Subject: [cos inet] happiness for everyone dear all, here is an idea about how everyone could be happy with our community computer resources. this is not a joke. i am perfectly serious, and suggesting this in the interest of peace and harmony among all cos members. depending on your response, i may propose the following at our next membership meeting, this sunday january 21st: Motion: That City of the Sun sponsor a second, alternative, community computer network, completely independent of the current COS Community Internet. This alternative "Hi-Pro SuperHacker Anarchist Network" will have its own highest-speed DSL and Wifi towers to specially meet the demands of high-performance users (for internet-phone, movies, etc), and will be available for unlimited tinkering and experimentation by our superhacker members. With all respect, the builder and administrator of this network should of course be "jc" John Comeau, if he wishes, who will be responsible for all decisions and operations of this service. All members of the COS community will be welcome to use either or both networks. However since this new network will be a special service, not of interest to most COS members, the cost should probably be shared by those who actually use it. Subject to further discussion, perhaps COS could provide assistance with partial/startup funding for some period of time until the project is stable and self-supporting. The fastest (1.5 Mbps) Global Internet access will cost about $80 per month including a new phone line, or $55 per month with an existing phone line, in a two-year contract with VTC. (end of motion) background & notes there are 3 maybe 4 hackers (that i know of) at city of the sun. each of us in our own way has been testing the cos network to its limits. at this point we know what those limits are, and further testing is unnecessary. last week i locked down the cos network to prevent further hacking, monitoring, and other games. this is what john is complaining about. when i first started up the cos network in june, i said to john, "you can do anything you want on this network with your wifi boxes, as long as it works." i'm trying to remain open and inclusive, but not at the sacrifice of normal internet service to normal users of the cos network, and i'm one of them. i retired from superhacking a long long time ago, and i just want to be on-line to do everyday stuff. there are people on the cos network trying to do serious work, school, business, family, etc. this doesn't mix with hacker stuff. $50 to $80 per month for an alternative computer network is not so precious, and would be a small price to pay for peace within this community. we've recently spent more for less. it has been suggested that i receive the $50 per month stipend for lagoon maintenance, but i would rather see that money spent on the dsl account for this proposed alternative network. towards acceptance of diversity, -and- peace and harmony among all cos members... sincerely yours, chris vansprouts
[top prev next] Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:51:53 -0700 (MST) From: chris vansprouts <vansprouts at mac dot com> Subject: [cos] the "community" who "killed the internet" once again, the most important issue going on here is not openly addressed. is it intentionally hidden, or is it simply beyond people's understanding and thereby invisible? this community needs to learn to honor and fulfill the agreements which it makes, especially with its own members. as many of you know, this community internet project is not the only agreement that's ever been broken here. but it -is- My Project, so i'm using the incident to make this point. please forgive me for any appearance of selfishness. the project itself is not nearly so important as the ethic. neither seem particularly urgent to me, but the subject has been stirred again by those masterful brewers of confusion, so here's a ginger ale and vanilla ice cream float... :) -- in may 2006, the cos membership made an agreement with me that i would donate my labor to set up the cos community network, providing internet access in the community building and to all homes in the community. cost to the community was estimated at $0.70 (70 cents) per month per member, including $185 for equipment (not including later personal donations of equipment to the community from dale $15, john $50, mark & kara $35). [2006 may 21 motion for chris to set up & maintain the community internet, passed: 15 for, 10 against, 0 abstain] however, 1) since 9 members of the community "rescinded" that agreement at the unreported and illegally conducted membership meeting of 2007 jan 21, and [2007 jan 21 "motion" to "kill the internet", "passed": 9 for, 6 against, 2 abstain] 2) let's say that my time, knowledge, and skill are worth $7 an hour (that's down from $49.99 :) ...this puts the "community" in "arrears" more than $500 for my contribution to the cos community internet project. assuming $500, the "community" owes me about sixty (60) more -years- of internet access via the cos network (calculated at 70 cents per month). if i am prevented from resuming that project as agreed in may 2006, then payment of $500 cash will be satisfactory. if that's a large burden all at once, i'd be willing for the cos board to make payment arrangements with me. :) but here is the really important (& ironic) part... the "community" who "killed the internet" also owes each cos member the difference between 70 cents per month and the cost of their service to replace loss of the cos community network. conservatively, that would be $0 to $25 per month per member, total loss for the community of approx $300 per month since january, or $3600 per year, or $200,000 for 60 years. (no kidding! who even cares about ethics? this is "economy of scale"! let's all profit!!!) shall we put it back on the agenda, then? pay chris $500, -or- let chris put the community back online for the next 60 years. either way is ok with me. and how about let's wait until october or november when we can get a quorum representing -all- of the members here? that will also give us time to announce the agenda earlier than 2 days before the meeting. and verify absentee ballots. -- cos community internet project, references: http://homepage.mac.com/vansprouts/cos/internet.html _____________________________________________________ "Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me any number of times, shame on you." - S Smithson Wildman (Less Primitive Religions, 1947) http://homepage.mac.com/vansprouts/meta/quotes.html [top prev next]